to get to these people and brian, the photographer i was working with, he's a big kid, 6'5 and very strong, he runs over and you can tell in the video, the video starts getting shaky, he runs over to grab the fence and help them then i grab his back and we did what we could to peel the fence away. then -- i have to tell you, from the time we looked over the fence to the time we were helping tear down the fence maybe ten seconds and then within another five seconds it was the pandemonium. people were everywhere jumping over from the sides because that was the only way to getting access to these people on the sidewalks. people were just flooding in there to help them and i started seng everyone was being ken care of. the kid was being scooped up and they were running him to the triage tent half a block, maybe a block down the street which was fortuitous. and then i just remember the police came in, they were screaming and yelling "get back, get back, everybody back." so they were pushing everyone back and then they were yelling "this is a crime scene, this is a crime scene, be careful.